Thanks for the above. Now I am beginning to understand. I didn't realise that PlayIt Live could address the ASIO channels. So, this makes sense.
One further question that I do have is if I install ASIO4ALL, how do you configure it? I have installed it yet I can find any settings dialog box either in my start menu or control panel. The manual for ASIO4ALL shows this window with lots of settings on it but how you find these settings is eluding me. Could I ask you give me a tip as to how I might find these hidden ASIO4ALL settings.
Cheers, Stephen.
Stephen,
For completeness, the layout I use on PlayIt Live on this setup.
Then the decks and cart setup.
Slightly curiously, on this card, the 3.5mm jacks map as 1/2, 5/6 & 3/4 hence the order I use to get player, player cart on the mixer without a cross in the cables.
Stephen,
You are (I believe) correct in that the Windows drivers won't present this sound card (or possibly any card) as multiple stereo outputs.
The key to getting 3 stereo outputs is using the ASIO driver (in this case ASIO4ALL).
If you install ASIO4ALL, PlayIt Live will show 3 stereo channels (1/2, 3/4, 5/6). Select these to the decks and you will get 3 separate stereo audio feeds from the one USB sound card.
I'm sure your Turtle Beach adaptors are a reasonable solution as well but I was looking for a single device with multiple stereo outputs and I had this in my junk collection.
Question for you -
How exactly did you configure this USB audio box to output to multiple channels using Play It Live?
Because it beat me!
Stephen.
This is very interesting. I have a couple of these which I don't use. My understanding is that these have 3 outputs but I could never get PlayIt Live or indeed anything to address the 3 outputs separately. I wanted to have 3 decks on Play It Live with each one outputting to a separate jack socked on the device but I could only ever figure out how to do it with one.
The problem as I see it is that the drivers do not create a separate audio device in windows device manager and it is these that Play It Live outputs to.
At the moment, I have 5 Turtle Beach USB sound adapters with 4 of the mapped to Play It Live decks and that works very well with a fader on each. I even have the remote start buttons on my mixing desk programmed to operate Plat It START/STOP so that I can start tracks from the mixer.
You call yours a poor man's system but my setup isn't much more elaborate. It's a collection of old disused laptops/desktops, a £170 Behringer mixer, Turtle Beach USB sound cards and of course Play It Live!
Stephen.
Paul,
Sort of, yes.
Typically, however, you would have players assigned to a fader each (stereo channels for music) and two players (one for the song playing and another for the next song) would suffice.
From the days when "carts" were a physical device, often multiple carts appeared on a single mixer channel and I don't think you can present carts over multiple audio output channels.
As well as the "player" model, PlayIt Live supports "classic" mode where there are multiple channels, each of which is available to be played. These could feed multiple channels.
Sound cards mostly have one stereo output channel, a few have two stereo output channels and a small number support more stereo output channels (as supplied).
Also, mixers with large numbers of stereo channels (more than 6) tend to be at a fairly high cost.
A setup as shown above would be fine to produce an Internet radio programme for many purposes (although I would add some kind of audio processor/limiter - for example the Behringer MiniCom Com800) to prevent overloading the sound card input with voice peaks.
I suggest you install PlayIt Live and experiment.
When you do, from my experience, it is worth just loading a handful of songs at first and trying the software with them.
Then make a separate and structured collection of music (folders with categories) and load the library by each folder assigning it a category and analysing them as they are added (for cue points).
This is quite a lot of work but will make the library much easier to use and it is easiest to do this when you add the music in the first place.
Paul, a good question.
It come down to what you want to do. If you want to have a pre-mixed stream of audio then feeding every source on PlayIt Live to the computer sound card output is fine (assuming the quality of the computer sound card suits you).
One reason you might want an independent sound card is to stop all the computer sounds (from other applications etc.) also being mixed in with your music.
A second sound output also allows you to use the better sound card for the main audio stream and the sound card output for a "cue" output so (in "manual" or "semi-auto") you can listen to a song before dropping it in the play list.
In that case you still have one "audience" sound output, so if you use a mixer (to add in a microphone or other sources) the PlayIt Live output comes on a single channel.
To allow level adjustment of each song independently and to make it all work more like CD players, you can send each channel to a different sound card (or channel on a multi channel sound card).
In the example above each of two players turns up on its own channel and the carts on a third channel. As carts are not use that often carts can share with cue or the cue can have a fourth channel (I ended up doing it that way on the setup above after writing the post above - using the PC sound card out as the fourth source and the final mixer channel)
That way you can dip a song on the mixer to play a cart over it.
Finally, a word about ASIO.
With PCs you generally have a stereo feed to the PC sound card. The PC mixes the sound from all applications into the "default" sound device (unless the application has a different destination selected, then sound is mixed into that second destination).
ASIO is a way of an application producing sound without using the windows mixer (Wikipedia has a good article about this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Stream_Input/Output).
Some (generally good quality) sound cards come with an ASIO driver and PlayIt Live supports output on ASIO devices.
Alternatively ASIO4ALL lets you use ASIO on some cheap devices (as I did).
Any more questions, ask away.
Hi. Thanks for this. Being a total novice may I ask why you need two sound cards please? Can't you just run off the sound card in your PC (As you may have guessed my technical knowledge is limited!)
Mark Hawkins
I've been looking into sound cards for "PlayIt Live" and I thought I would give a cheap Chinese surround sound card a go. I've had it for some years (possibly most of a decade) and not had that much luck with it up until now.
I'm using an old XP computer. The greatest challenge was finding suitable drivers for the USB sound card. Sadly I've lost the little disk it came with.
Extensive use of Google took me to an Australian site which had XP (and other OS) drivers for the CM6206 chip that the USB sound card used.
The drivers installed and in the system tray helper there was a nice test setup that stepped round each of the 6 output channels.
If you buy a card new I'm sure it will come with a driver disk and save you that stage.
Next I installed ASIO4ALL. This was a minor battle as the latest version didn't seem to like XP but the last one in the 1.xxx version series seems to work fine with XP so I used that.
Finally select 6 channel mode on the card.
and we are ready to run PlayIt Live.
I can choose a stereo output for each of 2 players and a third for cue (I've also assigned carts to that channel). This feeds 3 channels on an old mixer I have and I've a low cost production set up.
Finally, I used the built in sound card on the PC to take the mixer audio in and I've got a source to stream. I've got BUTT set up on the same XP machine.
If the streaming server were "outside" my home network anyone could listen.
"Radio Shed" all ready to use.
I would add processing (*or at least limiting) on the mixer output for "serious" use but it's not a bad setup.
Any questions feel free to ask.